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Streak: May 15, 2004

ppj go on cumtown

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:24

Accretionist: Nov 6, 2012

Wheeee posted:

except your gross incompetence, horrendous judgement, and shitty attitude already had this ball rolling well before those screenshots got leaked, all they did was get the attention of people who weren't already paying attention

Shit, that's why I'm here!

I don't know who PPJ is but

Ogianres posted:

you are either a lying nazi or a gigantic dumbass

actually both is very possible by this point

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:24

Zas: Oct 7, 2006

ppj, your operation was a metaphorical goverhaus. do you think grover thought to try to explain his terrible house to LF? no, they just.. oh.. they just... closed the forum down... well shit.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:24

Thug Lessons: Dec 13, 2006; I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.

Meme Emulator posted:

lol at the part where he promises he was just talking about anime ot fit in with everyone else.

Chill dude, relax. Anime pwns. Lets watch some

Thank you.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:24

YES bread: Jun 16, 2006; delicious bread

mods knew

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Mackers: Jan 15, 2012

wow this is some stupid bullshit lmfao

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Hopkins FBI: Jan 4, 2015; In the future, please don't post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

840x1058

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

christmas boots: Oct 14, 2012; To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out; Biscuit Hider

I don't think this explanation is very believable or even close to sufficient. Now, if I understand the first page correctly, I'm probably going to eat a week for this. So I'll see you folks on the other side.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Gulping Again: Mar 9, 2007; It's ham, Jonathan! Do you understand? Ham!

This was, by far, the absolute dumbest fucking way to address the issue that 'unmoderated discords aren't good'

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Daikatana Ritsu: Jul 31, 2008

~~Mods knew.~~ Mods know. Fuck the mods.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005; 0.000% of Comminism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin.

Chwoka posted:

thank god we have a spy to tell us that something sensitive users are suckshit nazis

Look, lies were revealed. Those lies would not be revealed if not for PPJ's actions. Nazis apparently lie about things. We now know this, thanks to PPJ's sacrifices.

It looks like what happened is PPJ got too close to the nazis. It started as just "learning to fit in" and ended with buying nazi guns from Syria.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Serf: May 4, 2011

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Augus: Mar 8, 2015; BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 2010
I am trash mon
410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

Themage posted:

1255x393

does this mod also go deep undercover in nazi discords

“moderations over 3 days will always have detailed explanations”

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Luna Was Here: Mar 20, 2013; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~; Lipstick Apathy

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

StratGoatCom: Aug 6, 2019; The security of this forum depends on our ability to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at quarter hours' notice.

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Really cool to see that after the old trans threads got moved to protect trans goons that had posted personal information from the creepers, stalkers, bigots, and nazi weirdos that have accounts, it turns out one of the moderators is posting on multiple of those groups' discords and communities, under the same username paling around with them, allegedly to get their SA names and ban them. It's very cool this stranger with access to info on me personally was, at best, playing IRL Mafia with the scummiest shit on the internet.

It is also incredibly cool to have the one mod who I thought had my back and genuinely cared about minority posters on SA defending this absolutely shitty idea and getting mad that people were upset and this obviously stupid breech of trust. It doesn't hurt at all and I in fact don't feel like absolute shit over it.

Thanks Koalas March and PPJ. I'm sure you playing pretend nazi between banning posters cause they're rude to you definitely helped the forum and wasn't the worst goddamn idea you could have possible had.

She needs to resign too, if she signed off on this, as she has endangered her charges.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

littleorv: Jan 28, 2011

You think after you got halfway done typing that out you would realize "Damn, this isn't a good look" and delete that shit right?

I am fucking glad you stuck that shit out bro, don't get me wrong

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Phi230: Feb 2, 2016

its clear PPJ just read a spy novel and found out what a honeypot was, which is what this thread is

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Whitenoise Poster: Mar 26, 2010

I'm giving my whole next check to lowtaxs patron. THIS is the exact kind of shit i joined SA for all these years ago.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

JIZZ DENOUEMENT: Oct 2, 2012; STRIKE!

Varinn posted:

why the fuck did you delete everything you'd written unless you were trying to cover your tracks

raises a good point

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

Gumball Gumption: Jan 6, 2012

Why are people eating a week prob for mod sass when people have gotten less in the last few days for slurs?

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A big flaming stink: Apr 26, 2010

wait why the hell are you just probing people for a week over and over again? DO YOU WEIRDOS THINK ITS UNJUSTIFIED TO BE HOSTILE TO SOMEONE THAT ADMITS THEY IRONICALLY BEHAVED LIKE A NAZI???

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:25

En Garde Motherfuckers: Apr 28, 2009; Hey. Is it just me, or do my balls itch?

Zas posted:

ppj, your operation was a metaphorical goverhaus. do you think grover thought to try to explain his terrible house to LF? no, they just.. oh.. they just... closed the forum down... well shit.

we had a good run at least

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

i picked today to come back and try and find out what happened to SA

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

Slippery Nipple: Mar 4, 2007; free college, free healthcare, free Shmurda

lmao coming in here handing out week probes

the mods knew, and are cowards

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

Suplex Liberace: Jan 17, 2012

StratGoatCom posted:

Remember when I said that the first thing anyone says if you get approached by a spy is "CALL THE FUCKING FEDS, DON'T DO ANYTHING"?

There's a few reasons for that.

1. You are likely not trained in counterintelligence. They are.

The person trying to get information out of you is trained to get information out of people while keeping theirs. You are likely not trained in how to see that coming, let alone get information out of them. This means that they are a few chess moves ahead of you while you're sitting there trying to figure out whether you want to be the red or black checkers. You're already at a disadvantage.

2. The fact that you're talking to them is enough for them to work with.

If you decide that you're smart enough to go ahead and play along or feed them bad information, they already have some record of you chatting with the spy. Now they can use that as leverage to get you to actually provide information, since you're basically compromised at this point and can lose your job or position. At that point, they don't even have to try and bribe you or appeal to your ego/ideology/hatred for your country.

3. You have no leverage to make them go away, except by calling the cops before it even starts.

Seriously. If you're willing to play ball, they will continue playing ball and tugging until you're no longer useful. If you start out giving them things and then go "oh god, maybe I don't want to be a spy any more", congratulations, you're still guilty of espionage for everything you've already done. They can use that to keep you in the game.

4. A lot of espionage starts out as you having a friend to exploit the fact that you're friends.

Seriously. It's not some super attractive person with a hint of an accent sliding up to you in a bar and asking what you do for a living. It's a friend of a friend who eventually asks if you want to earn some extra money or do them a solid. There's a decent chance you don't know who they're working for and you might not ever find out because you don't need to know. All they want is your information.

5. You don't have the resources, expertise, or connections to solve this on your own.

You are one person. Maybe you're smart, maybe you just have some connection to something someone wants. All of your internet detective-ing isn't going to suss out who wants your information, who the person you're talking to is, or what their overall goal is. Say what you want about spooks, they have a lot of money and resources to throw at problems, whether those problems are "I want this guy's information" or "I want to know who wants this guy's information". You don't.

So, there's a few basic things.

Now, with that in mind, let's look at this 'operation'.

1. We used a goon.

Goon project jokes aside, the unifying factor among all of us is "We paid $10". How much loyalty does $10 get you? Sure, a bunch of us are friends, but that means absolutely fuck all. One of the reasons you use spooks for this sort of thing is that spooks, usually, have some sort of higher loyalty that keeps them grounded during all of this. There isn't a fucking person on these forums I'd trust to infiltrate Nazis, not because I think you're all secretly Nazis, but because there's a special combination of "I can blend into this community" and "I know they're not a Nazi or going to become one" and $10 isn't enough to make me trust any of you with that. Sorry.

If the admins wanted something like this, they should have hired some outside help. If PPJ volunteered for this, all bets are off because see the above bullet points. Instead of the spy wanting something from you, now the spy is offering you information. Same rules apply.

2. PPJ used his own account, as a moderator, to infiltrate this group.

This is bad from the get-go. If he's not compromised (i.e, an actual Nazi) from the get-go, they're probably going to want him to prove his loyalty. If you don't have moderator powers, this could be anything from "get information" to "help harass this person". If you do have moderator buttons, the sky's the fucking limit. Probe posters, ban posters, leak the mod forum, all of it. If he wasn't compromised but wants to keep in the good graces of the people he's dealing with, he'd probably have to do some shady questionable shit with his buttons. At that point, he's susceptible to blackmail. See above.

3. PPJ used his position in the group to warn people of Nazi action.

If PPJ is compromised, he can feed any amount of 'bad' information to the mods and have them react. At that point, they don't have to actually do anything, just task PPJ to rile up the goons every once in a while for the lulz. If PPJ isn't compromised, they can start leaking specific plans, often to specific people, to see what gets passed on and how the targets react. If they find out that KM goes dark every time there's a threat and PPJ is in the chat, there's your smoking gun. At that point, even if he's not compromised, he's under suspicion and they can start feeding him bad information. Once again, you're dealing with professionals.

4. There is no way of knowing PPJ's loyalties.

See the previous #1, but this boils down to "You know PPJ is a member of X and Y. You cannot say for certain that he is not a member of Z, which is even worse than X and Y put together." If PPJ was compromised at any point, guess what? Your entire plan is now turned on its head and he's spying on you.

5. The admins decided to keep this hush-hush.

This one is actually understandable, because you want to protect your sources and methods, i.e, we have a mole or several in Nazi Discords. The problem with this is that if your mole is particularly hated and has a visible position under his own name on the forums, people are going to do some digging because they want to bring down the bad guy. Now your entire plan is revealed to everybody because he had to operate under his own name.

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So, with all of that, I'm going to say that this was fucking irresponsible, stupid, and dangerous.

Spies use fake names and documents all the time, you have access to the literal databases where you could make a fake account and start seeding it with posts, why would you use a moderator that people vocally dislike? Fuck, make a new mod in Private Game Servers if them having access to the mod forum for leaks is important for clarity. If they need to prove that they're a mod, make some fake accounts to post in your chosen forum so you can probate them with the secret Nazi phrase.

If you're volunteering to spy for something, people should be really really suspicious of where your loyalties lie because you're already declaring "I want to betray someone's trust for my own gain". As I said before, it would be trivial to hand over fake information and create additional layers of security for Naziposting where Nazis could operate without being seen by the goon moles. It's dangerous to have someone in a position of authority doing this because we can't prove where anyone's loyalties lie and it just takes one request to use moderation powers for Nazi things to compromise someone for a long time.

I'll take a few more questions if anyone has them.

make this thread site wide

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

Jonathan Fisk: Sep 5, 2010; POSTING
Champion
of
Something Awful

lol at the leper’s colony bon mots, those will age well

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

GulagDolls: Jun 4, 2011

christmas boots posted:

I don't think this explanation is very believable or even close to sufficient. Now, if I understand the first page correctly, I'm probably going to eat a week for this. So I'll see you folks on the other side.

i don't think it even qualified as an explanation, as the word is defined by humans.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014; Fan of Britches

This is seriously and unironically the most insane shit I've seen

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

hostess with the Moltres: May 14, 2013

Nazi mods fuck off

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

StratGoatCom: Aug 6, 2019; The security of this forum depends on our ability to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at quarter hours' notice.

A big flaming stink posted:

wait why the hell are you just probing people for a week over and over again? DO YOU WEIRDOS THINK ITS UNJUSTIFIED TO BE HOSTILE TO SOMEONE THAT ADMITS THEY IRONICALLY BEHAVED LIKE A NAZI???

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; This neckbearded nerd has incredibly stupid opinions on fantasy firearms.

"Remember, Mastershakeman is literally always wrong."

'i have to maintain my cover' shouts PPJ as he drops the clutch in his car to head straight at an antifa rally (thankfully he just stalls the car and nothing happens)

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

Ursine Catastrophe: Nov 9, 2009; Rocket jumping?
That sounds dangerous...; Dinosaur Gum

Themage posted:

really good look when some mod that has never interacted with the community is probing people for a week because they were mean to their nazi best friend, they should probably resign too theres no way to damage control this shit lmao

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

No. 1 Apartheid Fan: Aug 19, 2005

Endorph posted:

imagine trying to explain literally a single word of this to someone who hasnt been on sa for at least five years

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

Buck Wildman: Mar 29, 2010; I am Metango,
Galactic Governor; Grimey Drawer

Luna Was Here posted:

1440x978

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

Gulping Again: Mar 9, 2007; It's ham, Jonathan! Do you understand? Ham!

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Really cool to see that after the old trans threads got moved to protect trans goons that had posted personal information from the creepers, stalkers, bigots, and nazi weirdos that have accounts, it turns out one of the moderators is posting on multiple of those groups' discords and communities, under the same username paling around with them, allegedly to get their SA names and ban them. It's very cool this stranger with access to info on me personally was, at best, playing IRL Mafia with the scummiest shit on the internet.

It is also incredibly cool to have the one mod who I thought had my back and genuinely cared about minority posters on SA defending this absolutely shitty idea and getting mad that people were upset about this obviously stupid breech of trust. It doesn't hurt at all and I in fact don't feel like absolute shit over it.

Thanks Koalas March and PPJ. I'm sure you playing pretend nazi between banning posters cause they're rude to you definitely helped the forum and wasn't the worst goddamn idea you could have possible had.

EDIT: Amazing timing and understanding of tact by the mods probing people ITT. Seriously, spectacular work in the most literal sense.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

buglord: Jul 31, 2010; Buglord

I feel like im living in SA history.

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

DemoneeHo: Nov 8, 2017; Think paw-sitive

so does this mean guyovich is secretly smuggling the Uyghurs out of the prison death camps? or is he still the holocaust explainer?

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

THS: Sep 14, 2017; im gay; Lipstick Apathy

Gringostar posted:

this is the stupidest day in forum history, a record that will be broken by every subsequent day in forum history

# ? Jan 7, 2020 21:26

redneck nazgul: Apr 24, 2013; Toilet Rascal

amazing that you have all these screenshots of the bad nazis and none of you interacting with them

all we have to go on is your word and you've been secretly living it up in a nazi discord

they've already outed you and kicked you out, name the nazis you bagged. point to their bans.

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Dick Milhous Rock!: Aug 9, 1974; Lipstick Apathy

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